Richard Catlett Wilkerson (RCW): Ariadne, your dream program is a rich mix of
public offerings, private classes, seminars and a variety of products and
services. Could you summarize your dream program for us, especially the
Ariadne Green (AG): You're right DreamThread is rich with content and
services for those who wish to explore the vast potential for personal growth
through dreamwork. We have unveiled phase I of three phases of the DreamThread
InterActive project. The average person who is wondering what their dreams meant
last night, can submit a dream right now through submission script on the site
and get back some intuitive insights, as well as ways in which they can use
those insights in their daily life. We have two or really three services. A
DreamNote, a DreamReport and a DreamCourse. Soon they will be able to receive
the DreamNote and Dream Report in an attractive format through software that we
are developing. The DreamNote offers the dreamer approximately four insights
into the meaning of their dream and ways that they can use the insights to
further their personal growth. The Dream Report offers numerous insights and how
the insights were drawn from the content of the dream examining each scene, the
outstanding symbols and dream action. Techniques for further working with the
dream are given as well as other general information on dreams. The Dream Team
are intuitives and clairvoyants who have a wide range of dreamworking skills and
background in doing dreamwork personally and professionally. Our aim is provide
a quality service and to encourage people to use their dreams creatively and
consciously. The DreamThread site can be likened to a Dream Temple in
Cyber-space. Surfers can enter our temple and be offered insights and creative
solutions to their problems and a look at their attitudes, beliefs and feelings
to further their psychological and spiritual growth. They can also receive a lot
of interesting information on dreams, as well as participate in dream telepathy
and incubation experiments. The pilgrimage can be made as frequently as they
(RCW): How did the idea for the DreamThread Web site come about?
(AG): DreamThread was conceived over coffee, a muffin and conversation as
many creative projects are on Maui. I had many requests from friends and
students suggesting that I do a dream interpretation hotline as I was looking
for a way to creatively turn the world on to the magic and wisdom of dreaming.
But frankly, I didn't like the hype and circus like promotions of 900 psychic
lines. I was techno shy considering myself a mystical purist who never thought
that she would be joining the technological world. However, after having my
computer for only a short time exactly 3 months, I saw the potential to take
dreamwork and shamanism out to the public through educational software. Within 3
months, I had written content material for a CD ROM that I had titled Dream
Master and had begun looking for production money. What I found was that to do a
fully animated CD ROM would become astronomical in cost and that the popularity
of CD ROMS was waning. I had met a lot of people in multimedia production who
encouraged me to put something out on the web and to offer the content out
there, through cyber-space, as well as a service to people who would like to
have some expert help with their dreams. So I contacted the best web designer I
knew to design the site and 2 months later I asked Marka to be my business
partner. More recently Diane Warwick made a surprise appearance on stage in my
dream wearing an Elvis beaded jacket reminding me that it was time to go public
with what I was passionate about -intuitive dream interpretation!
(RCW): Shamanism in anthropology has a rather strict definition that applies
to various aboriginal or native individuals skilled, as Eliade writes, in
healing through trance states. But now the term has come to be used in a wider
sense in popular culture. Can you tell us a little about this and what shamanism
means to you, especially the term you use "urban shamanism" and how
this relates to dreaming.?
(AG): When I first began exploring shamanism it was a personal journey that
unfolded through some landmark dreams which opened up my potentials as a
shaman/healer. I soon was able to remember how to access these dream states and
dimensions by altering my consciousness and connecting with the many guides and
allies that I encountered. It was a very natural progression and journey that I
surrender to each day cultivating my skills and integrating information that I
have been given. As I later explored shamanism through research I did find that
some of the interpretations were narrow, but still helpful in looking how the
fields of anthropology and psychology viewed shamanism. The question arose
whether a psychotherapist from Vallejo California could be a shaman or a lawyer
from Washington? My definition of a shaman is not that different from Stanley
Krippner's definition. I see the shaman as one who because of an initiation
experience or a call to shamanize and subsequent experiences is able to contact
non-ordinary reality at will traveling into dimensions of consciousness to
retrieve information and healing potentials for others and the community as a
whole. There are many roles that a shaman can take and a shaman may serve
several roles at once or primarily only one. Some of the roles are as
psychotherapist, healer, seer, storyteller, and priest. One of the most
important roles of the shaman is as interpreter of dreams and myth. And this is
where my focus has been along with the role of the healer.
I take a shamanic view of dreaming. Dreams assists us to recognize dimensions
in consciousness. Every night we let go of our ordinary reality put on a
shaman's suit and fly into other dimensional realities or dreamscapes where we
can access information about ourselves and our relationship to the collective,
as well as information about the spiritual dimensions. The aim of shamanic
dreaming is to become conscious of these experiences and use dreams for ones
personal transformation, the transformation of others and as a gift to feed the
In a recent dream circle the symbol of bread synchronistically appeared and
came to represent the dreams that we could share with the world as sustenance,
hope and inspiration. Breaking bread is sharing the dreams which give us
spiritual truths. A dreamer dreamed that she was carrying loaves of bread on the
luggage rack on the top of her car to be delivered to many on the journey.
Dreamers in my shamanic dream circles often dream for others bringing through
information about the state of another's health or psychological happiness. This
is one of the roles of an urban shaman, to be a community dreamer. In modern
culture, we are skeptical of those who proclaim to be shamans and rightly so.
There are charlatans or inexperienced initiates out there. I use the term *urban
shaman* to define the shaman who can offer the shamanic perspective to urban
culture through unique methods that the culture can relate to. Not everyone can
go to the mountain fast and receive a vision. I teach people to see the signs
and messages in whatever environment that they are in. I personally receive the
answers to my spiritual questions at a local grocery store called Furr's. I make
a habit of going there with an incubated question and inevitably receive the
answer either symbolically or directly before I leave the store. Furr's is my
mountain and I can be seen there wandering around with nothing in my basket just
to get my messages. When I was a clinical therapist I might have thought that
behavior to be psychotic and a bit grandiose. Now I see it as living in dreaming
(RCW): Speaking of urban shamans, how did you like studying under Stan
(AG): Stanley was first my mentor at Saybrook Institute where I had been
enrolled pursuing a doctorate in philosophy of psychology. He has continued to
be a friend and inspiration. He is clearly a scientist and I am glad to hear you
refer to him as an urban shaman though he claims no such identity or authority.
Now as for myself, I tend to see myself as a mystic first and scientist second.
Stanley has certainly done more to unify science and mysticism through his
research on shamanism than anyone I've met. I had a dream when I first started
studying under Stanley that he was driving a Rolls Royce and that I was chasing
after it. Well, I certainly was chasing after the best and most prestigious
teacher one could ask for. We had the opportunity to have Stanley do two events
on Maui while I was still there. One on shamanistic dreamwork and another event
which I put together called Boundaries and Your Health: Issues of the Mind,
Body, and Spirit. In it we explored dreams around the issues of emotional,
physical and psychic boundaries. My aim in hosting Stanley was to bring
shamanism to light in modern culture and to promote dreamwork and shamanism as
methods which individuals can use for their personal growth and apply in their
(RCW): You have been promoting Shamanic Dreaming workshops and now offer
apprenticeships through the Art of Shamanism. Could you tell us a little about
what a person would go through in this program and how long the program lasts?
(AG): The Art of Shamanism is a program that developed after years of
practicing and integrating shamanic methods into my own psychotherapy practice.
I developed the trainings to offer those interested in stepping onto the path of
shamanism as healers a way to ground shamanic methods and practices into their
life and into their professional practice. I set up the courses originally as
five core courses designed to induct the individual into the experiences of a
shaman. The courses help them build a solid shamanic practice and discipline.
The first course is on animal power acquisition, the second develops skills in
shamanic journeying, the third course teaches one methods for soul retrieval,
the fourth is on crystals and other shamanic tools, and the fifth course is
called Shamanic Healing and focuses on diagnosing through the energy field, x
-ray vision, and journeying for shamanic healing. The courses build on each
other and offer a rich ground for those who wish to integrate the spiritual
dimensions into healing. Because the experiences are initiatory and deal with
integrating a great deal of energy and shamanic power it is important that a
student be prepared to accept the responsibility and challenges associated with
it, as well as the commitment to use the methods to assist others. I am offering
the courses in two ways now. I offer one weekend course a month in Taos and am
offering two 4 day intensives to complete the trainings for those who need to
travel from a distance. Some students complete the program in 6 months and
others have taken 2 to 3 years depending on their need and approach to the
material and experiences. Shamanic Dreaming is a weekend workshop that offer
when I travel and has been sponsored in Europe, Canada, Australia, ,as well as
nationally. Those who would like information on the trainings or workshops can
request it through the site or by emailing me at email@example.com
(RCW): What got you interested in dreams?
(AG): What got me interested in dreams? That's an interesting question. I
remember people telling me their dreams and expecting that I had the answers as
a teenager. I guess at some point I woke up and realized that I was Ariadne and
had been given a thread to offer to others. My mother actually saw my destiny
named me Ariadne and then baptized me on the martyr saint day of Ariadne quite
by accident. If there is such a thing. I think the universe force fed me dreams.
It didn't even feel like a choice or an interest that I took. It was my nature
and an expression of who I was. Anyway I think it was Dorothy Gail in the Wizard
of Oz who woke me up to the creative and magical power of dreams when she sang
"Somewhere over the Rainbow" and took her journey into Oz. I
recognized through that myth that our life is a dream journey that we embark on
and that the yellow brick road of our dreams can take us to find what was always
in our own backyard.
(RCW): What are your favorite books on dreams and dreaming?
(AG): I had probably worked with my own dreams for 10 years before I read a
thing. But since then I of course I've read few or more like a hundred. I have
some favorite books. One the Kin of Ata Is Waiting For You , DreamWork:
Techniques for Discovering the Creative Power in Dreams by Jeremy Taylor,
Dreamtime & Dreamwork: Decoding the Language of the Night edited by Stanley
Krippner, and Shamanic Dreaming by Robert Moss. I tend to take a shamanic
perspective in approaching dreamwork. Experience is the best teacher. I tell my
students work with your dreams for eight weeks before you read a thing.
(RCW): There is a page on DreamThread called DreamGathers, which appears to
be a global dream incubation project focusing on collective events. Can you tell
us more about this and to participate?
(AG): Yes, we are really excited about this project. We consider one of our
roles to be the gatherer of dreams which are bringing inspiration and
information about the collective during this time of planetary transformation.
We have put out a call for dreams over the next two months on the Halle Bopp
comet and have posted the dreams along with interpretations on the site. We feel
that this is a way that we at DreamThread can nourish culture and the dreaming
community at this time. Anyone can submit a dream to DreamGathers using the
dream submission script and noting that the dream is for DreamGatherers. If
anyone has a dream about another event that they would like to send they can do
so in the same fashion and by noting what event the dream is related to.
On the DreamDiscover page you have an interesting division of dreaming realms.
The lower world being the place of deep mysteries, the middle realm being our
physical world and the upper dreamworld being the spiritual realm.
(RCW): How did this model develop for you?
(AG): The model that I developed for looking at dreams in the Dream Master
material was drawn from the model for shamanic journeying and was a natural
evolution and integration of my experience with my own dreams and my travels
into the many dimensions through shamanic journeying. Although, I believe that
there are many more dimensions that can be traveled in, the 3 world division is
one that explains the shaman's movement through worlds simply and also offers a
way at looking at the types of dreams, their source and the elements within
them. I sought a way to explain dreaming from a shamanic perspective and a way
for those learning about the nature and elements of dreams a clear way to
differentiate their dreams through adopting the shaman's perspective.
Surprisingly, when I met Stanley Krippner he presented a similar model to what I
had created for Dream Master. A case of parallel creativity or dreaming. In the
design of the CD ROM I conceptualized a labyrinth with three dimensions or
levels to embark on an "edutaining" journey through content on dreams.
Dream Master is an animated shaman like character who interacts with the dreamer
on their journey through the interactive experiences. He represents the shaman
within who holds the wisdom of the ages and the ability to understand the nature
of dreaming in a dreaming universe. The Dream Master lives in each one of us. At
the center of the labyrinth is a dream journal program to assist the dreamer to
work with their own dream material. As I mentioned earlier, the production of
Dream Master will not planned until Phase III of our multimedia plan, but I have
made available a tidbit of the content in our DreamDiscovery pages.
(RCW): What kinds of questions might a person ask to decide if DreamThread is
a program to pursue?
(AG): I think Dream Master would say something like, "Well its about
time. I've only been waiting at this dream temple tapping my foot since 600 BC
waiting for Ariadne to wake up on the island of Naxos and to give you the darn
thread. So take it. Journey for yourself now. Then you decide if it was worth
You can email me at firstname.lastname@example.org or
Snail medicine mail me at: Ariadne Green
Box 5844 NDCBU
Taos, NM 87571
Or call at: (505) 758-9356
Dreaming in the light,